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    Plenty to grunts, never to milkies or permit. Fact is that one usually sight casts these fish- and chatting to guys like Fario who have caught milkies they are apparently not as difficult to hook as claimed. But fact of the matter is exactly what you say- they can be difficult to find- but if I understand milk fishing you don't ever blindly go out and cast for them?

    And that's the point- show me one day where you can actually wade around FB sight targeting Bellies? LOL

    Don't worry Fred- being another experienced saltwater guide, maybe you too can be a talented Belman whisperer in FB!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Cox View Post
    And that's the point- show me one day where you can actually wade around FB sight targeting Bellies? LOL
    There are guys that have caught them sight casting in Woody Cape. Was a thread on Sea___.co.za not too long ago.

    But enough of this back and forth...Mike what the hell is a Dassie



    Any idea where to start outside of arniston? GPS? These rock gullies? Thinking about a trip Sat. Im guessing they like caves from the scientific name Umbrina Capenesis, Umbra for "shade" in latin.
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    The whole point is the challenge of finding them in a place that they can be sight fished too and caught. That is the aspect makes it epic.

    Plus, if I were to chase them it wouldn't be in FB.

    Not sure about your guiding reference though?

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    Pete, its a blacktail... I'll join in next year for a few belman

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    Woody Cape is a different story! Eastern Cape has some places that will definitely give a much better chance.

    As alluded to- your big prob is finding them- from my diving experience in PE we almost always saw them in caves- another reason why they were often exploited by spearos. They could virtually guarantee Bellies in certain caves.

    I still think that you are not practically going to ever be in a situation where you can hope to sight fish to them- maybe a fluke fish or two blind fishing?

    To each his own- good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Cox View Post

    To each his own- good luck.
    Well there's the beauty isn't.

    And people shouldn't Pete (especially) or myself it can't be done. Makes it so much sweeter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by petercoetzee View Post
    ...Mike what the hell is a Dassie

    GPS? These rock gullies?
    Dassie = Blacktail = Kolstert = Diplodus capensis

    34deg 40'25.60"S 20deg 14'00.46E There's also a good photo of the ledges and gullies on Google Earth. Low tide will expose the gullies.

    According to Coastal Fishes of Southern Africa the Belman is found in caves, ledges and mixed Rock & sand surf zones.

    We've caught them on sand prawn with a running trace. good Luck !!

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    In the Southern Cape we target Bellman on conventional tackle in the shallow water, close to the beach, over the sand. We use a 6 foot rod and small grinder.

    If you cast more than 30m from the beach you cast over them. Casting to them here is not the challenge, the main question is what fly WILL work?

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