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Thread: Sage ESN 2wt, for dry fly????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Yes, that is something spoecial. 2 things I notice.... firstly, quite a fast rod, and I doubt it is 10 foot, and secondly, longer cast being made... certainly far to long for the average effective range of Cape Stream fishing. Something special to watch though. Yes lovely loops, almost too good.
    They fish a 5 meter leader and yes its a fast rod with a thin Barrio fly line

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    I think you might have hit the nail on the head Gary, saying that the 10ft 3wt is a better all round choice. The lighter the rod you choose, the more specialised it becomes, and therfore the less of an all rounder. I agree, but my thread is specifically about the 2wt, as dry fly rod. If I wanted anything resembling an all round rod, then the 2wt certainly wouldnt be the rod I would go for. The 2wt is more specialised and more defined in what it does best. my opinion for a dedicated dry fly 2wt for the Cape streams, would certainly not be a 10 foot rod for a start. Also heard good things about the Zenith, hope to try one someday.
    Quote Originally Posted by GGY View Post
    The ONE is a good example of an all-round rod. It is not as quite as fast as the XP and more responsive. I agree on the ESN (the 3wt and especially 2wt) not being great for dry fly.
    A 10ft 3wt ONE is a better all-round choice, but then my Zenith 10ft 3wt is even better.

    YMMV
    Disclaimer.... none of my posts are intended to be "expert advice"..just opinions from someone who is willing to help where he can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    I think you might have hit the nail on the head Gary, saying that the 10ft 3wt is a better all round choice. The lighter the rod you choose, the more specialised it becomes, and therfore the less of an all rounder. I agree, but my thread is specifically about the 2wt, as dry fly rod. If I wanted anything resembling an all round rod, then the 2wt certainly wouldnt be the rod I would go for. The 2wt is more specialised and more defined in what it does best. my opinion for a dedicated dry fly 2wt for the Cape streams, would certainly not be a 10 foot rod for a start. Also heard good things about the Zenith, hope to try one someday.
    Agreed Andre. Mark De Jager has a 2wt ESn and loves it, but admits its limitations.

    You are happy to try my Zenith when we find ourselves in the same city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    ...but I have no idea what they were smoking at the time.
    I guess they are asking the same thing about you when you wrote this
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    Ha ha.. I see that neither of us has changed a bit hey Mario
    Quote Originally Posted by smallstreams.co.za View Post
    I guess they are asking the same thing about you when you wrote this
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    Ya, we must definatly do that Gary...
    Also, I wouldnt call it a limitation of the ESN, unless he expects it to do something that it cant. Like, is it a limitation of a Ferrari, that it isnt particularly good on rutted dirt tracks? or is it a limitation of a Landcruise that it cant do 250Km/h? no of course not, they designed to perform best in their specific purpose. Like the ESN, dry fly fishing is not its primary purpose...especially the 2wt. the 3wt..cant comment, never tried one. Ithink mark K has a 3 or 4 wt ESN, and I would find it interesting to hear his take on this topic.
    Quote Originally Posted by GGY View Post
    Agreed Andre. Mark De Jager has a 2wt ESn and loves it, but admits its limitations.

    You are happy to try my Zenith when we find ourselves in the same city.
    Disclaimer.... none of my posts are intended to be "expert advice"..just opinions from someone who is willing to help where he can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Ha ha.. I see that neither of us has changed a bit hey Mario
    And not bound to happen soon

    Personally I disagree completely on your findings. But that is cool - because what works for me (and plenty others) don't work for you (and plenty others).

    My take on the ESN ... the softer tip allows for the most delicate presentations with a dry - pin-point too. Tight loops are very possible as well. In short.
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    Hey fair enough, maybe im not a very good dry fly fisherman, and certainly no authority on dry fly fishing, but having fished the ZXL 2wt, Txl 2wt, even the 9 foot 3wt z-axis...I found all are better with the dry than the 2wt ESN. But none of these rods do the long leader to hand nymphing quite like the 2wt ESN. Also, the 2wt is the only ESN I have fished with, so very subjective on the 2wt. I know that you are an accomplished dry fly fisherman, so Im not going to ignore your opinions. Anyway, I didnt buy the ESN with any kind of dry fly fishing remotely in mind, so im quite ok with it.
    Quote Originally Posted by smallstreams.co.za View Post
    And not bound to happen soon

    Personally I disagree completely on your findings. But that is cool - because what works for me (and plenty others) don't work for you (and plenty others).

    My take on the ESN ... the softer tip allows for the most delicate presentations with a dry - pin-point too. Tight loops are very possible as well. In short.
    Disclaimer.... none of my posts are intended to be "expert advice"..just opinions from someone who is willing to help where he can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    I know that you are an accomplished dry fly fisherman
    Everything but, but the rod did things for me that I did not expect it to - both the 2-weight as well as the 3-weight. The 3 is better though - has more authority than the 2. The 2 did give me sharp crisp presentation though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGY View Post
    Agreed Andre. Mark De Jager has a 2wt ESn and loves it, but admits its limitations.

    You are happy to try my Zenith when we find ourselves in the same city.
    Yup! I have a custom ESN that Mario built up for me.
    I must admit I also havn't experienced any of the issues Andre reports when fishing dries with it.
    Infact I ended up preferring it so much to my #2 ZXL as a dry fly rod that I have subsiquently sold the ZXL.
    I find it to be both delicate and accurate, but have fished it exlusively over the last year in any scenario I can, so I am quite used to it now. I also use the identical line so I doubt its that. My only thought Andre, is that perhaps your leader dynamics arent quite right ITO the turnover you aim to accomplish. That may explain the tip wobble as you are possibly trying to over power the rod to compensate for your leader?
    I use GGY's modified degressive formulae that I just adapt accordingly perhaps that would help?
    As for the length I find it an advantage when doing a bit more than just static upstream dry but I suppose Im just used to it now.
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