Help with Yellows Rig

[jeremyr]

Hi, I have searched through the forums on rigs, but have not really found my answer. I have been fishing NZ style (truck and trailer) with an indicator, and my catch rate is disappointing to say the least. My foul hooked muddie catch rate is very good . Do you guys fish with a three fly rig with split shot, or do you just rely on the control caddis. Can anyone provide me with a diagram so that I can try it?

The NZ rig seems to work well in rapids, when fished upstream, but in slower water like Oord Nebo, the catch rate is poor. I was fishing in knee deep water, and could see the yellows, got one hookup on a hotspot, but then went dead even after changing fly combinations (but not rig).

Fishing the slower water with the NZ rig resulted in foul hooked muddies, always on the point fly.

[dlampert]

Hi, I have searched through the forums on rigs, but have not really found my answer. I have been fishing NZ style (truck and trailer) with an indicator, and my catch rate is disappointing to say the least. My foul hooked muddie catch rate is very good . Do you guys fish with a three fly rig with split shot, or do you just rely on the control caddis. Can anyone provide me with a diagram so that I can try it?

The NZ rig seems to work well in rapids, when fished upstream, but in slower water like Oord Nebo, the catch rate is poor. I was fishing in knee deep water, and could see the yellows, got one hookup on a hotspot, but then went dead even after changing fly combinations (but not rig).

Fishing the slower water with the NZ rig resulted in foul hooked muddies, always on the point fly.

Hi Jeremy,

Have a look here for some answers:
http://www.flytalk.co.za/forum/showt...ymphing+leader

Maybe ask some questions once you have read these. You can also do a search for leaders or rigs and you will pick up additional info.

Regards,
Darryl

[frikb]

quick on the draw Darryl. I was looking for the same thread

[Michael]

Also, see this thread: http://www.flytalk.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=3460

[pieterkriel]

Hi Jeremy

Definitely a good thread to go look at.

Few notes however.

1. It is not absolutely a must to fish with 3 flies, work with 2 flies on the new rig till you are confident then change to three.
2. When fishing multiple flies on a rig, distance between flies are your friend, at bear minimim 40cm between flies, to up to 60cm.
3. Nothing stops you from using splitshot, but bare your fly weight combination in mind as well(if you can rely only on fly weight it is better as to the natural swim of the team)
4. Even with a complete new rig, your drift is still key.

[Niel Myburgh]

There is 2 very import thing you must remember when check nymphing.

Get your flies down, you don't have to use splitshot, if you have a heavy caddis and maybe a heavy brassie you will be all right, when you start catching muddies (in the mouth) you know your on the right track.

Use minimum fly line out of your rod, it feels stupid catching fish with a 1 or 2 meter of fly line out of your rod, but you'll get used to it and will catch MUCH more fish.

[pieterkriel]

There is 2 very import thing you must remember when check nymphing.

Get your flies down, you don't have to use splitshot, if you have a heavy caddis and maybe a heavy brassie you will be all right, when you start catching muddies (in the mouth) you know your on the right track.

Use minimum fly line out of your rod, it feels stupid catching fish with a 1 or 2 meter of fly line out of your rod, but you'll get used to it and will catch MUCH more fish.

Valid points, but also with the new rig, it is not needed to limit yourself to only CZ Nymphing

[jeremyr]

There is 2 very import thing you must remember when check nymphing.

Get your flies down, you don't have to use splitshot, if you have a heavy caddis and maybe a heavy brassie you will be all right, when you start catching muddies (in the mouth) you know your on the right track.

Use minimum fly line out of your rod, it feels stupid catching fish with a 1 or 2 meter of fly line out of your rod, but you'll get used to it and will catch MUCH more fish.

Niel, is it possible I am missing the takes from the muddies and then the point fly is foul hooking them, as some of the foul hooks are on the pectoral fin, so the fly is drifting at the right level?

[redhumpy]

Hi Jeremy

Definitely a good thread to go look at.

Few notes however.

1. It is not absolutely a must to fish with 3 flies, work with 2 flies on the new rig till you are confident then change to three.
2. When fishing multiple flies on a rig, distance between flies are your friend, at bear minimim 40cm between flies, to up to 60cm.
3. Nothing stops you from using splitshot, but bare your fly weight combination in mind as well(if you can rely only on fly weight it is better as to the natural swim of the team)
4. Even with a complete new rig, your drift is still key.

Pieter

Why would distance between your flies be your friend? No matter how far you place them apart they are still going to follow the same route due to the heavier dropper pulling it wherever it wants to go. On that note, which flows faster the top, point or dropper fly? Who's leading who?

I space my flies only 30cm apart - works for me, but I would love to know whether spacing them further apart would make a difference. All I can see with a longer leader setup is more tangles, not so?

[pieterkriel]

Why would distance between your flies be your friend?

First a disclaimer, my views might not fit you or your style of fishing. Since I started to distance my flies I have been foul hooking much less fish than before I did so. I would put that to the fact that if a fish shows interest in your flies, but you do not catch it, you do not foul it with the next fly.

No matter how far you place them apart they are still going to follow the same route due to the heavier dropper pulling it wherever it wants to go. On that note, which flows faster the top, point or dropper fly? Who's leading who?

It depends on what you are doing in the end(drift), if you are truly employing a dead drift I would imagine they pretty much follows the heavy fly. If you employ a little bit of a lead you might be lifting certain flies of the bottom.

Another thing to consider is where is your weight, top, middle or point. I change that frequently, although it is always suggested that your flies must be at the bottom, I (my view) do not always see it that way, I change my drifts and setup such that in certain instances my flies might be swimming in defferent levels of the water, so I would actually say in my way of fishing (my view) at least one fly is at the bottom at any time. In books like Presentation it is said and implied that you present both above and below water, you need to experiment with your setup and drift and at the same time try to see or imagine just what your flies are actually doing in the water and what you are doing above the water does to your flies below the surface (hope you get what I am trying to say)

I space my flies only 30cm apart - works for me, but I would love to know whether spacing them further apart would make a difference. All I can see with a longer leader setup is more tangles, not so?

Should not tangle all that much more, considering that if you flies are normally 30cm apart and you go to 40cm apart effective change is only 20cm and for 50cm only 40cm. Little time to get used to and you will not know the difference at all.