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Thread: Modified NZ sliding rig up for testing and opinion

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    Hey guys

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    I'm not sure if someone has tried this before I have been fishing with it for a awhile and seems to work very well but need to get some input from other guys.

    The rig is a NZ rig but modified and what it is intended to do is slide up and down to create a more natural drift of the point fly, further more it puts you in-contact with the control fly as any take will not be weighed down by the control fly but transferred directly to the indicator through the control fly.

    This also makes your point fly go to different depths from every drift as it has 30 cm of movement and depended on the drag on your indicator/fly-line will vary the position of the point fly. or that is the idea anyway.

    I would like to hear back form some guys actually trying this rig vs the standard NZ and opinion are welcome too
    Trout is for people that don't know how to catch yellows.
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    I used to fish a similar setup on the Vaal, but found I got burned off too frequently on the take. The friction between the tippet and a sliding fly attached to a 3kg yellow is just too much.

    Damn, I miss the vaal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamS View Post
    I used to fish a similar setup on the Vaal, but found I got burned off too frequently on the take. The friction between the tippet and a sliding fly attached to a 3kg yellow is just too much.

    Damn, I miss the vaal...
    Hi Graham
    Thats a very good point, something I didn't take into account but luckily i have not had any burn-offs
    Trout is for people that don't know how to catch yellows.
    www.fishingforyellows.co.za, store.fishingforyellows.co.za

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    Clever idea, but....
    Your sliding rig, (control fly) depending on how it lands in the water, can travel up to 60cm (worst case scenario) without registering a take.
    Which means you are not in control of the flies, you do not know what the flies are doing, you don't know how many takes you could be missing etc
    Setting the hook on the take of the control fly, means you have to move the mono/rod tip up to 60cm(worst case) to set the hook.
    For hungry, uneducated fish, no problem but clever, fish that have lots of fishing pressure, not good.
    I think back to the drawing board.
    Korrie Broos

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    Johann, if you are looking for slightly more natural movement of the flies, try using a Rapala knot to attach the fly (fly moves around in the small loop). Also, if you fish with droppers, you should get enough natural movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korrie View Post
    Clever idea, but....
    Your sliding rig, (control fly) depending on how it lands in the water, can travel up to 60cm (worst case scenario) without registering a take.
    Which means you are not in control of the flies, you do not know what the flies are doing, you don't know how many takes you could be missing etc
    Setting the hook on the take of the control fly, means you have to move the mono/rod tip up to 60cm(worst case) to set the hook.
    For hungry, uneducated fish, no problem but clever, fish that have lots of fishing pressure, not good.
    I think back to the drawing board.
    Hi Korrie

    Thank you for the input, I understand your concern with regards to setting the hook on the control fly but don't you normally go out on the assumption that most of your fish will be caught on the point fly and you will be in touch with the point fly with this rig.

    What I also don't understand is what you mean by "the way it its the water" the control fly only has 30cm of sliding space. so any take on the point fly will be directly relayed to the indicator would it not ?
    Trout is for people that don't know how to catch yellows.
    www.fishingforyellows.co.za, store.fishingforyellows.co.za

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    Hi Circus

    I do use the rapala knot on the point fly, just not very clear in the drawing and for some reason I always get my dropper tangled in the main line.
    Trout is for people that don't know how to catch yellows.
    www.fishingforyellows.co.za, store.fishingforyellows.co.za

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    I have done something similar with good effect. Instead of having the control fly . "free running " up the main line. I use a dropper, attached to the main line, with a moveable knot.
    Works well, and that way , I have the advantages of the dropper system, as well as being able to regulate the depth of the control.
    Disclaimer.... none of my posts are intended to be "expert advice"..just opinions from someone who is willing to help where he can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    Hi Circus

    I do use the rapala knot on the point fly, just not very clear in the drawing and for some reason I always get my dropper tangled in the main line.
    I fish my rig other way round with the heavy fly on point and the smaller fly on the dropper, the dropper does wrap around the main line every now and then, but every couple of casts I just untangle and fish on.

    Strangely enough this year I'm catching most of my fish on the heavier point fly than my dropper

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    Hi Korrie

    Thank you for the input, I understand your concern with regards to setting the hook on the control fly but don't you normally go out on the assumption that most of your fish will be caught on the point fly and you will be in touch with the point fly with this rig.

    What I also don't understand is what you mean by "the way it its the water" the control fly only has 30cm of sliding space. so any take on the point fly will be directly relayed to the indicator would it not ?
    Both my flies are equally important to me. That is the reason I have 2 flies, to have double the change of a fish taking it, covering double the water, either width or depth of the river etc.
    If you are only using your control fly to only get down and maybe the odd fish, you might as well fish with a little ball sinker, to get your point fly down.
    Korrie Broos

    Don't go knocking on Death's door, ring the bell and run like hell. He hates it. (anon)
    Nymphing, adds depth to your fly fishing.
    Nymphing, is fly fishing in another dimension

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