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    The Hardy Wraith has been marketed as the replacement for the Hardy Zenith, but judging from reviews it's quite a bit stiffer at the tip making it not so good at close in fishing but more of a long bomb rod, I suppose you could over-line the rod enough to make it load properly in close with sacrificing the long distance attributes, but for an overall trout rod, in my opinion (Please correct me if I'm wrong) why are manufacturers like Hardy and Sage creating all purpose trout rods that just don't cast very well at close distances, seeing as most Trout/Yellowfish are not caught at 70+ ft.

    In my opinion I believe this Korean made rod is WAY overpriced at $849, what is the logic of this cost for a rod that only really excels in a few aspects of trout fishing.


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    Basically, if it excels at all aspects of trout fishing, and not only a few, then it would be an all rounder and perhaps this is a specialised rod, and not intended to excel at amore than a few aspects. Having said that... nothing can excel at all aspects. Sages specialised rods certainly don't excel at many aspects. Over lining a short range rod specialist rod isn't going to help very much anyway, as you probably not casting too much more than the leader anyway, otherwise it isn't short range.
    Last edited by Andre; 06-09-15 at 02:49 PM.
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    Andre, I get what your saying, but why fix something that's not broken. The Zenith excelled quite well in most aspects of trout fishing, and was regarded an excellent overall rod which was pretty much a Jack of all trades but a specialist of none. I'm sure the selling statistics showed it was a huge success. I just can't understand the logic that most fly fishing companies have, they have an excellent rod and they decide to replace it with what would be an inferior product compared to it's replacement with a bump up on the price. I can understand a specialised rod for a specific purpose, but roll it out as a seperate product and not a replacement.

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    Theres always going to be a rod range superceded by, what many people believe to be inferior. Take even Sage for instance, the LL, SPL, XP etc were excellent rods with even cultural followings, Stealth had the SXR range, even Diawa had a great past range, so why did they discontinue them and replace with rods that many believed to be inferior.? It happens. Also, you shouldn't jump to conclusions until you fish the rod. A stiffish tip doesnt necessarily mean its not going to be good at short range. Its the complete taper that makes a rod what it is. I have heard mixed reports about the Zenith anyway. I have never had the chance to fish one, so any comments I make will be second hand, but I believe it isn't all things to all people.
    Is the Zenith anyway, a "jack or all trades, specialist of none", or does it excell at most aspects of fly fishing....? Make up your mind, you are contradicting your own statements
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    Andre, I get what your saying, but why fix something that's not broken. The Zenith excelled quite well in most aspects of trout fishing, and was regarded an excellent overall rod which was pretty much a Jack of all trades but a specialist of none. I'm sure the selling statistics showed it was a huge success. I just can't understand the logic that most fly fishing companies have, they have an excellent rod and they decide to replace it with what would be an inferior product compared to it's replacement with a bump up on the price. I can understand a specialised rod for a specific purpose, but roll it out as a seperate product and not a replacement.

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    Last edited by Andre; 06-09-15 at 04:33 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g-loomis View Post
    andre, i get what your saying, but why fix something that's not broken. The zenith excelled quite well in most aspects of trout fishing, and was regarded an excellent overall rod which was pretty much a jack of all trades but a specialist of none. I'm sure the selling statistics showed it was a huge success. I just can't understand the logic that most fly fishing companies have, they have an excellent rod and they decide to replace it with what would be an inferior product compared to it's replacement with a bump up on the price. I can understand a specialised rod for a specific purpose, but roll it out as a seperate product and not a replacement.

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    Yup... one dead pole to another even more dead pole....and I mean fishing pole, not a person from poland
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Yup... one dead pole to another even more dead pole....and I mean fishing pole, not a person from poland
    That dead pole can pull fish pappa!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Beast Tamer View Post
    That dead pole can pull fish pappa!
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    It will take some testing, but since the new Hardy Zephrus is 440 Sintrix, like the Zenith, it may be the true Zenith replacement, while the Wraith, using 550 Sitrix, is the faster rod (faster than a Zenith).

    Also - read the writers comments about casting the rods here (right at the end):
    https://www.tellurideangler.com/news...and-Hardy.html

    Maybe the Wraith is not as fast as being imagined?

    Also - see here:

    http://www.tridentflyfishing.com/blo...hrus-vs-zenith
    http://www.tridentflyfishing.com/blo...review-590-5wt
    Last edited by GGY; 07-09-15 at 12:56 PM.
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    I would be very surprised if the Zenith could be improved.It is the finest 5wt ive ever owned.

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