thanks Korrie, its then very similar to the finger strip cast (well, thats what i call it). its where you have a rod length of line out, reel turned with handles face away from you, left index finger fitted in between spool and where the line meets the spool, right hand thumb on the spool for control, lobbing the line towards the rod then as the line approaches the rod you yank the index finger behind you, line a double haul, this pulls line off the reel and forces/shoots the weight forward to target area. as the line is spooling from the spining reel towards the floor the weight pulls the access lose line, one can easily reach twenty odd meters, hey is this the "whip cast"?