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    Default Two rods for the price of one

    Having recently purchased a lovely soft little stream rod for my son, namely a Loomis & Franklin Matrix 7'6" 3#, I was very impressed by super slow action, more akin to my old Orvis Ultrafine 2#. The diameter of the butt section is more comparable to a 0# Sage, which makes me question the 3# rating on this particular rod. Be that as it may, the fact that it is a 3 section rod coupled with the fact that the assembled middle and tip section felt really soft and delicate and supple made me think that this would make a lovely little 5 foot rod.

    I discussed the idea with my rod builder mate Neil, asking him if he could think up a solution to attach a handle to the middle section without disfiguring the rod or making the butt section obsolete. He came up with a brilliant idea!

    Scratching around his bits and pieces at home, he found a handle which would serve the purpose with a bit of modification. Basically what he did was shorten and taper the handle in a lathe, and then inserted a stainless steel male ferule into the business end, machining and tapering it down to snugly fit into the female ferule on the middle section of the rod.

    The end result is two rods. The seperate handle, once inserted into the middle section, immediately transforms the rod into a 5 footer and I still have the option of attaching the original butt section to revert it back to the 7'6".

    If there is one rod that lends itself beautifully to this conversion, it is this particular little Loomis. What impressed me from the start was the full through action, flexing right into the butt section. It is impossible to cast a tight loop with this rod, making it an ideal candidate for a lovely little dry fly rod.

    I put the shortened version to the test this past weekend and was overjoyed with the way it performed. There was no need to line up and the 3#DT loaded immediately. The rod really came into its own in some particularly bushed up bits where all that one could do was roll cast, which it did beautifully! I am so impressed by this little rod that I just had to share this with you guys.

    The good news is that the rod cost me a mere R550. It helps to have mates though. The conversion cost me a bottle of OBS!

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    The good news is that the rod cost me a mere R550. It helps to have mates though. The conversion cost me a bottle of OBS! [/QUOTE]

    I got the same Flyrod for myself as a B-day gift the other day and a killwell
    3/4 reel together for the same price for what you paid for just the rod.Where did you buy this one if I may ask.I'm still looking for some time to get line for this setup, but I hope it will happen soon.I am hoping to start my stream sessions this year still.Darryl mentioned I must get a line called pocket ....something.Do you think I must go for the 2 or 3 weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chriss View Post
    The good news is that the rod cost me a mere R550. It helps to have mates though. The conversion cost me a bottle of OBS!
    I got the same Flyrod for myself as a B-day gift the other day and a killwell
    3/4 reel together for the same price for what you paid for just the rod.Where did you buy this one if I may ask.I'm still looking for some time to get line for this setup, but I hope it will happen soon.I am hoping to start my stream sessions this year still.Darryl mentioned I must get a line called pocket ....something.Do you think I must go for the 2 or 3 weight?[/QUOTE]

    Hi Chriss

    Now I am really upset! Ok, you got a bargain and i didnt, but at the price I paid, I still consider it a gift. It really is a gem of a rod and you are going to have endless hours of pleasure with it mate. Just dont force it too much, it needs a gentle approach and soft loving touch. I got mine from The Fishing Specialist. It was their last one.

    As I said, I think the rod has been overrated in terms of the line weight. It easily casts a 2# DT, as I experienced shortly after purchasing the rod in my pool at home. I would even go so far as to say it will handle a 1#. The lighter the line, the quicker the action, but I really enjoy the really slow action that it gives on the 3#DT. It is the closest I have come to the action of a split cane rod with graphite yet.

    You can now go and kiss whoever gave you the rod for you birthday again!

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    yip, I must say I am jealous of that little conversion- I had the chance to whip it up and down a couple times in the car park at the Winelands Engen (where everyone seems to either meet or buy food for the day or have some breakfast before heading to the rivers ) and must say that it felt really nice- a sooooft sloooow action... must be a joy to use on bushed up streams!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chriss View Post
    Darryl mentioned I must get a line called pocket ....something.Do you think I must go for the 2 or 3 weight?
    Its called a pocket water from Rio- an awesome little line- without a doubt one of the best tapered lines for short line fishing.
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    I agree with Kevin. The Rio Pocketwater is fantastic for Short distance casts because all the weight of the line is at the front.

    I wouldn't overline a rod with it though. I tried my 2wt pocketwater on my 1wt titan (Fast action?). It was like a shotgun and impossible to control properly. The Titans are usually much better when overlined, just as long as it's not with a pocketwater taper. I use the 2wt line on my 2wt Titan and it's a perfect match!
    "So hereís my point. Donít go and get your ego all out of proportion because you can tie a fly and catch a fish thatís dumb enough to eat a car key.." - Louis Cahill - Gink and Gasoline

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    I had a look on the Rio website but can't see the Pocketwater. Where is this product available and does anyone have info on taper profiles etc?

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    Hi Kevin

    Unfortunately the Rio Pocketwater was discontinued.Apparently, if memory serves me correct, it had a large following in Japan and France but not in the US (where it counts). The story is that most fly fishers in the US wanted a line that could also be cast a longer distance on their bigger river systems and as such they had no use for the quick taper of the pocketwater (although there are plenty tiny streams in the US- dont quite understand the justification). There is some old stock still floating around in SA with one of our local companies having received a shipment not so long ago- I plan on buying another couple and putting them away in my closet until I need them...

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    Thanks Kev2

    I am in NZ and have never seen the pocketwater here. Good concept though and I certainly fish a few streams where it may be useful.

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    Chris

    Sorry to come in late on this, but as you know Neil was here in Rhodes keeping me busy ;-)

    He told me about the little rod, and it really sounds like you have a winner there. Who knows, this might even become quite a "in-thing". To have a Butt that just slots into a favourite rod and converts it into a shorty makes a LOT of sense if you are into smallstream fishing!
    Mario Geldenhuys
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