Subsistence fishing vs. FF (NB READ THIS)

[jeremyr]

Hi, was at Woelwaters this week and encountered something that made my blood boil..... At about 6:30PM, local lawn-mower cum squatter cum garden man sets up a pap-gooi setup with mealie pips and hauls in a large carp (into the mealie meal bag it goes). So far so good...

Same "p03s" takes another rod and wades up to ArendsNes, where he proceeds to rip what looked like a cluster of hooks or a type of spoon, across the rapids with great success, and then throw the fish into the bushes, where he indicated for his cronie to come and collect them with the mealie bag.

At the time I was wading, so I went to check what fish he had thrown into the bushes. The light at this stage was k@k to say the least, but they looked like yellows, so I k@kked him out whereupon he waded back down with an evil scowl and asked me what was wrong.

I told him that he could not catch SM yellows and keep them (I know according to law 2 per fisherman blah blah).

At this point the he shoved one of the fish in my face and I could see it was actually a mud fish, and said the owner of Woelwaters had said he could keep as many as he likes. He said he let the yellows go, and the "pregnant" mudfish.

What could I say. He decimated the rapids directly in front of ArendsNes, and must have pulled in excess of 15 fish out into the bag. He continued long into dark with a torch as well.

There is no ways that this type of fishing is not going to hook a yellow or seriously injure them, also there is no way that if he does this every evening, that the river can sustain this kind of "rape".

IMHO, the yellow's population at Arend's / Woelwater's has declined, or they have got wiser. Ironically, I caught about 4 muddies for every yellow....

How can we remedy this problem guys, apart from a shotgun....

[Herman Jooste]

To be blunt , you cant.
The same thing has been happening at Erina Spa from the large island.
They row in from the opposite side.
A member of this forum and a Rand Water employee to boot has tried accosting them.
The result was a firearm and the order to f#xk off

[rols]

To be blunt , you cant.
The same thing has been happening at Erina Spa from the large island.
They row in from the opposite side.
A member of this forum and a Rand Water employee to boot has tried accosting them.
The result was a firearm and the order to f#xk off

One of those, (really pees me off moments)....How do we remedy this? People have taken this whole "What you gonna do to me, the cops ar'nt going to worry about a coupla fish", attitude to the max, and unfortunately we are trying to be responsible for the eco system, in whatever form of fishing we do. Never mind just fishing, What about the total disregard of the ethics about throwing the cr&p in the bin?? Walking behind a couple the other evening on a promenade in CT and they are eating takeaways. The lady dumps her burger holder on the floor. I say to her..."There's a dustbin right there", well, I walked away.....as none of her comments were relevant to not trashing the environment. So Ya....looks like the gun will be pulled and the a- hole will keep on doing it......unless we organise a traffic snarlup with a blockcade protest. Something to think about. They got news coverage and some gas.....but ar'nt we just so tired of another taxi protest because they can't get their way? My point being that people might be a lot more interested if the Vaal spill and abuse, really makes some prime time rather than a b1tch about a fckucking use of a name for goodness sake.
But, these are my ramblings, and I have no physical evidence to back them up...other than some empty cans

[Byron]

This only highlights the short-sightedness of the venue owners. Eventually there will be no fish and no fly fishermen / pap swaaiers spending money at their venue...

The same applies to sewerage in the river - if they don't speak up and do their bit we'll all stop using the river, it's their loss in the end.

I've seen this before at the same venue - I don't go there any more.

[poppernel]

HI GUYS,

A cluster of hooks on a rod and line means one thing!! JIGGING AND THAT IS ILLEGAL.

I will not explain the jigging system here for people who dont know, due to educating lurkers and NAbles alike.

Dave

[chris williams]

Yes, HIGHLY illegal. From what Jeremy was saying, this creep claimed to have permission from Woelwaters to fish as he was, yet he was practicing this despicable jigging on Arens Nes water? Did you tell the Arens Nes owners?

[poppernel]

HI Chris,

Most probably the owner is under the impression that the fish are being caught with bait, and not the jigging system. Maybe Jeremy should have just mentioned it to the owner.

Dave

[chris williams]

Yep, I'll mention this to the Arens Nes guys in the next week or so when I'm in the vicinity and hear what they've got to say as well

Off to join the lads on the Vaal now - wish me luck - and I'm not referring to the fishing!..

[poppernel]

GOOD LUCK!

Dave

[smallstreams.co.za]

This only highlights the short-sightedness of the venue owners. Eventually there will be no fish and no fly fishermen / pap swaaiers spending money at there venue...

The same applies to sewerage in the river - if they don't speak up and do their bit we'll all stop using the river, it's their loss in the end.

I've seen this before at the same venue - I don't go there any more.

How can we remedy this problem guys, apart from a shotgun....

All the more reason to get riparian/venue-owners onboard a formalised system. In this way, this riparian member could be "educated", and should see the error of his ways. A single (and angry) fly fisherman will surely just stir the pot the wrong way (my guess from many of the comments on this subject so far).

I hope you guys can sort this out - seems to be becoming more of an occurance (or maybe more of a visible occurance, since more people seem to be on the water??)

Outflow - refer to following thread: http://www.flytalk.co.za/forum/showt...106#post121106