Solution for tying thin tippets knots

[Glans]

I have expierience problems with ussing the perfection knot on very thin flurocarb line. I am trying to make a small loop for the loop to loop setup.
Above 0.2mm the perfection knot is Ok,but not on thinner line.
Any surgestions?

I also noticerd that the thinner you go on the flurocarb the less shock the tippet can handle.
Thats why choose a softer more stretchy leader. Specialy for a "yellow attack"

And the colder the water the less these corbon lines will strech

Jannie

[poppernel]

HI Jannie,

Welcome to the forum, hope the guys sort you out. I personaly use different setup's to you guys. Be patient, someone will accomodate you here.

Do not like stating my knots here as it would lead to a ''pissing'' contest.

DAVE

[nkula_nkula]

I have expierience problems with ussing the perfection knot on very thin flurocarb line. I am trying to make a small loop for the loop to loop setup.
Above 0.2mm the perfection knot is Ok,but not on thinner line.
Any surgestions?

I also noticerd that the thinner you go on the flurocarb the less shock the tippet can handle.
Thats why choose a softer more stretchy leader. Specialy for a "yellow attack"

And the colder the water the less these corbon lines will strech

Jannie

Perfection loop is a terrible knot to use in thinner diameter lines.... Anything under 10lbs breaking strain and you are asking for trouble...

A surgeons, triple surgeons, 4 turn water knot all have superior knot strength.

Something very important to remember is to make sure you form your knots and seat them properly when using flourocarbon.

Hope this helps...

[NCBass]

Surgeon's loop works well under all conditions and you can make the loops as small as you want.
If the line doesn't break or loop don't come undone when pulling tight, chances are zero that a yellowfish will break your knot.
As for poppernel's "pissing contest", yes there are many loop knots, some easy to tie, some not so easy - all a personal choice...

[chris williams]

Rather like Nkula's comments, usually when on the water for sake of ease in most common circumstances I use a simple 3 turn surgeon's sometimes a 4 turn water knot Of course you can always leave a long loose end when tying these knots to act as a dropper if you so wish

[Andre]

I have expierience problems with ussing the perfection knot on very thin flurocarb line. I am trying to make a small loop for the loop to loop setup.
Above 0.2mm the perfection knot is Ok,but not on thinner line.
Any surgestions?

I also noticerd that the thinner you go on the flurocarb the less shock the tippet can handle.
Thats why choose a softer more stretchy leader. Specialy for a "yellow attack"

And the colder the water the less these corbon lines will strech

Jannie

Where are you fishing, that you need such thin flurocarbon?

[nkula_nkula]

Perfection loop is a terrible knot to use in thinner diameter lines.... Anything under 10lbs breaking strain and you are asking for trouble...

A surgeons, triple surgeons, 4 turn water knot all have superior knot strength.

Something very important to remember is to make sure you form your knots and seat them properly when using flourocarbon.

Hope this helps...

Oh ja, forgot to mention that you make loops with all of the above knots. They can also be used for joining two pieces of tippet together...

[Glans]

Thanks

Never used a water knot before and would like to try it. It looks like a nice knot.
I prefer a loop that can swing around the main line to reduce tangle around main line.

My thinnest I go to is 7lb for the tippets for yellows.

I would only go thinner for trout on a stream with dries.

What is your guys experience with fluro and cold temperatures?

Jannie

[Andre]

Thanks

Never used a water knot before and would like to try it. It looks like a nice knot.
I prefer a loop that can swing around the main line to reduce tangle around main line.

My thinnest I go to is 7lb for the tippets for yellows.

I would only go thinner for trout on a stream with dries.

What is your guys experience with fluro and cold temperatures?

Jannie

Ok, it sounds like you might be nymphing yellows in the Vaal.
Firstly, a dropper that that can swing around the main line, is likely to tangle more so than a static dropper.
The other thing I have to say, is that if you are fishing for yellows on the Vaal, then you are wasting your money on fluro. It is a complete overkill, even when the Vaal is clear, and visibility is at 2m, it is still far to murky to justify fluro. In fishing a gin clear trout stream, fluro is perhaps a little more justified, but if you are not technically 100% with your techniques, and only require a further 1%advantage, then you are wasting your money here as well.
What I am trying to say, is that fluro is not going to give you a drag free drift, get the presentaton perfect, get the flies into the zone. The guy that can do this without fluro, is still going to out fish the guy with fluro who can't.
To me fluro is completely overrated, for yellowfish, except perhaps in the most extreme of comditiuons at Sterkfontein, but even then, I would need convincing. Even on the Cape streams, there are few advantages it brings, and the dissadvantages, out weigh the advantages anyway, so, no thanks.
Oh, getting back to the knots, a waterman knot or a surgeons loop are fine. The nice thing about the waterman, is that you can join lenghts of slightly different diameters. Beware though, with fluro, if your knot is not perfect, it will break.

[chris williams]

Yes I reckon fluoro is a waste of time and money in the Vaal also it's lifespan is thousands of years longer than nylon so your lost tippets will be around for centuries to come - not a nice thought